Is Seeking Creative Success Actually Hurting Your Family? | Tim Schmoyer, YouTube Coach

So many creators are seeking fame, wealth, and visibility on huge platforms like YouTube - only to discover the dangers of that pursuit way too late. And that's the mistake our guest made - one he's still learning from. 

Before becoming chief creator coach for VidIQ, Tim Schmoyer built one of YouTube's most successful video consulting businesses — then sold it when life abruptly reminded him that he was headed down the wrong path. 

In this heartfelt and powerful conversation, Tim shares how that reckoning led him away from chasing views and validation, to the point of making a huge change in his business and  launching a new venture focused on reaching the right people rather than the most people. 

Whether you're a content creator, a Christian creative, or just someone quietly burning out chasing a number that will never satisfy — this episode will reveal how you can use your talents to achieve your TRUE God-given purpose, instead of spending years missing out on what matters most.

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Transcript

Tim (00:00)
my son, at the time he was probably like four. And he just made this comment and he's like, dad, I feel like we only do fun things when we need to make videos. Yeah. I'm like.

You're right. Put the camera down, we're done.

Allen C. Paul | Founder, God and Gigs (00:18)
That was the moment that everything changed for our guest, Tim Schmoyer. And by the end of this episode, you'll understand exactly why chasing

success, even for seemingly good reasons, almost cost him his family, and what happened next that completely changed his life.

If you've ever felt like your desire for creative success is competing with the things that matter most to you, your family, your health, your peace, this conversation is for you. Today we're getting to why community, faith, and confession can help you refocus on your true purpose, whether it's on YouTube or wherever God is sending you.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (00:57)
Tim, how are you doing

today?

Tim (00:58)
Hey, I'm doing, as Dave Ramsey would say, always doing better than I deserve. I'm doing well.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (01:04)
So people might be meeting you for the first time virtually. So if they are meeting you, and let's say it's not with the bio, let's say it's not with the podcast or with the YouTube or with Video IQ or anything like that, and there's this meeting Tim the man, what are those couple of things that you'd like people to know about you upon first meeting?

Tim (01:21)
Usually I start with something that's a little shocking and I say, well, my wife and I somehow managed to have seven kids in eight years and

We've been doing online content creation for, well, my first upload was March 2nd, 2006. So

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (01:42)
Bye.

Tim (01:42)
over 20 years ago now was my first piece of content I published online. And it's been quite a journey since then. I was a youth pastor at the time.

Thought I was gonna do a youth ministry full-time because I just really love reaching people and changing lives. And there certainly is way to do it, but the more I got into YouTube and content creation, the more and more I experienced stories of like, I think if I actually wanna scale life change, this might be a good way to do it. And so I ended up going full-time on YouTube and in the early days back before that was mostly thing as one of the first creators in the.

partner program on YouTube, one of the first 300. and so we've continued to do online content and teaching other people how to do it, grew and sold a YouTube agency around that. And now I work.

as the chief creator coach at vidIQ, where I lead a team of coaches that we're coaching over 1,000 creators a month now, one-on-one, and their content strategy and growth on YouTube, and seeing lot of success with that.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (02:55)
I want to kind of start with the ministry and your background in terms of faith and family, because so much of what you do now really does.

come back to how do I help people right where they are? You mentioned the ministry part where you wanted to kind of, love the word you just use, scale life change. And so it seems to be about life change is one of the biggest motivators for you, but it started in ministry. So I just want to ask you, first of all, where was that tension in terms of realizing that ministry, although it's still in your heart, might not be the right vehicle for the career in terms of helping to help more people and help more families and help more people to kind of gain that, that

edge in life and move forward.

Tim (03:36)
So when I was in youth ministry, was working with, I had a successful youth group by any, I don't know, I don't want say worldly standards, but you get what I mean there. But numerically

you would say it was, I arrived, was around 18, 15 to 18 students.

it was around 180 students after about five years. So there was some tremendous growth there and it was fine. I don't know that I would say I saw the type of life change I was really hoping to see as a result of that. Like for example,

We put a lot of time and energy into running this event for the youth group. And I was really hoping to see a lot of new people come to know the Lord through it and, and got a couple hundred kids at this event. And at the end of it, it seemed like from what we could see from like the cards and interactions with kids, only one person gave their lives to the Lord. And on one hand, you're like, well, if it's only one person gave them the Lord, was all worth it. Right?

On the other hand, I'm like, I don't argue with that. The amount of effort and money and time we put into this, like I would have hoped to see a lot more than that. You know, like was the Holy Spirit just like on vacation that day? Like what happened? You know, and.

and so it was, it just, I don't know. I worked at several different churches in the, in the pattern seemed to, through Bible college and seminary, the pattern seemed to persist, which is like, kind of felt like this is impactful, but it feels mostly like running programs for people. And I don't really know how to see the impact. Can compare that to what I was experiencing on YouTube at the time.

which was uploaded some videos to introduce my girlfriend, my family across the country while I was in seminary and then that grew. Today we would know them as vlogs but back then we were just being awkward in public with a camera. was no such, vlogs wasn't even a word yet.

and so what I saw happening was these people were watching and I had this kind of aha moment when I got this email from this, from this person.

who said, hey, you guys don't know me, but I've been watching your videos, your girlfriend, this time we were married and we could put our dating life, our honeymoon, our wedding, our honeymoon, first house, all that kind of stuff on there. And she emailed me, she said, I've been watching you guys for a while. I just got married two months ago and I'm already struggling. We're already struggling in our relationship and I don't know if we're gonna make it. But I've been watching you guys.

And I saw that one video where you and your wife sat down and just talked about how you're learning to love each other better. And I shared that video with my husband. We talked about it. And I just wanted to let you know that we have hope again in our marriage. Thank you. And I'm like, that happened from that video? You know, and after getting more and more like comments and emails and meeting people at different events and things where they come up to us and say,

The reason I didn't commit suicide is because you told me you wanted to reach people and change lives I wanted to know if that is true and it is like you changed my life I'm still here because and that's a whole nother story actually but there's so many stories like this of people who didn't commit suicide one lady one girl who was like I didn't grow up with a mom, but I've been watching you guys and Now I'm getting married and I think I feel like I'm better equipped I know what it looks like to be a better mom one day for my kids

because I've watched your videos. Thank you for telling these stories. And so these are all like stories of impact and life change that I wasn't hearing inside of the churches I was working at. And maybe that says something more about me than the churches is just like maybe where the Lord was wanting to use me and lead me, you know. But as I saw that as a repeating pattern, I was like, I want to do that. Like I want to, I want to have that type of impact on more and more people.

and be an influencer, not in the sense of the way we use the word today, because there's a lot of people who are influencers who don't have influence. I actually wanted to be someone who has influence. so as that continued to grow, then I started having this next realization is like, all right, I'm reaching my million plus people a month with a message and a story that we have. But what kind of impact on life change could I have in the world?

if I helped other people reach their million people a month with messages and stories I don't have and never will have. Like then what kind of impact do we have in the world? So I started video creators as an agency and did YouTube strategy for Disney, and eBay, and Budweiser, and HBO. Even YouTube themselves was a client on two different occasions for different things. So, sort of working with brands and creators with this mission of like, how do I help you spread a message that reaches people and changes their life? You know, for Disney parks, it's not just about roller coasters.

amusement parks. This is about creating remember when experiences that bring a family together. You know, it's like how do we how do we it's not like church stuff, but it doesn't like I care about church stuff, but I actually care about families too. And it doesn't always have to be a a faith thing. It's more I see it more like a kingdom thing. Like is this a glimpse of what the kingdom is going to look like one day? I want to be part of that. How do I how do I do more of that through people and through brands and all that?

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (09:12)
That's something that you just hit upon. And that's why I want to make sure that you share the entire thought, was influencers without influence. In other words, people who are just doing the thing, right? They're showing up on social media. Now that you're 20 years into it right now from 20, 206, 2006, to now 2026, where you have seen where the entire landscape has changed. That these are professional.

right, content creators, these are professionals. And you just mentioned how people found your family and were, had that life changed by watching you, but now it seems authenticity is almost, you know, I guess to use the word monetized, right? Where the more real I show myself, the more I show my family. So I just want you to help some of our creators who are watching now, who are now in this day and age where they feel like everything has to be a product, their family, their faith, everything has to be online. And how have you managed

both in your strategy, but also your own family to keep that boundary where you are being authentic, you're sharing your life, you're sharing your stories and you're helping people, but you're not letting it creep into your heart or creep into your family or kind of cross that line where it's like, it's all about me, me, me. And also obviously protecting your family from that same kind of thing.

Tim (10:25)
Well, I did this very poorly for a long time. So I didn't do this well. I didn't have good boundaries. I didn't do this in a healthy way.

I'll tell you the moment I'll switch to me. I remember with my

We were doing family videos at this time. had two kids, my wife and I. And I think my wife sensed something was off but couldn't put her finger on it. We had some talks about it, but I was kind of dismissing them. And then my son, who's now 15, I think at the time he was probably like four. And he just made this comment and he's like, dad, I feel like we only do fun things when we need to make videos. Yeah. I'm like.

You're right. Put the camera down, we're done. It was like one of those moments where I'm like, he doesn't know how true what he just said really is. so fast forward a few more years, I still have a different, we stopped doing the families, not completely, but it was the kids' choice. You guys want to make a video this? Like, yes or no? It wasn't like we need to because we need content, right? And I need you

to perform. It was like, do you want to? And for the most part, they said no for a while.

Cool. All right. So that channel kind of slowed down and now I think we post to it like once a year or something. But that didn't quite kill it in that desire in me to sacrifice my family. Not desire. That was not my desire. That was the unintentional output of immaturity.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (11:59)
Yeah, the symptom,

Tim (12:03)
And that came later when my agency was...

growing very rapidly.

full team of employees and we're working with 600 plus clients a year and I had making way more money than I ever thought I would make, especially as a youth pastor, you know, and trying to figure how do I manage all of this and the stress,

as I had a collapse in the middle of the night once I am by collapse, I mean, I was in bed, but

I just woke up this excruciating pain in my stomach, fully expected to look down and see a double edged sword sticking out of both sides. I army crawled. It was terrible. Never had so much pain in my life. tried to go to the ER and things. Eventually got to the doctor and they were like, Tim, everything with you is fine, but what's going on in your life? Are you stressed about anything? I'm like, no, I'm not stressed. like, tell me what's going on. I told them what's going on, business.

marriage and life and our marriage is kind of struggling a little bit then too. And they're like, the doctor like, you're not stressed. I'm like, no, he's like, you're in denial. You need a therapist. So I started doing therapy and what I didn't notice at that time, wasn't like chasing views online, but it was still chasing, and I wouldn't have said this way at that time, but it was still chasing success and like, I'm valuable.

I'm worth something and I find it through success in business, through helping clients grow and even through means like helping people reach people and change lives and that gets applauses and things. So it's only been through, I would say if I'm be totally honest, the past four years or so that I've really come to, it was part of selling the business, part of why I sold it. There's a lot of reasons.

Part of it was I was just getting bored and wanted a new mountain to climb and Vid IQ offered that to me. But part of it was too, was like, there's something unhealthy going on here and I just kind of just need to be able to step away from it and be the husband and the father that my family needs. now I can say that sincerely

not just because it's for views.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (14:28)
I feel like that's one of the things that you were so transparent about was the fact that you are literally in the business of helping people grow YouTube channels, grow popularity, grow audiences. And yet you at the same time realized that you were seeking validation from those very same things, even though it was a good mission, right? It was the good thing that God actually called you out of ministry to do, but yet when you lose the focus and the balance on why,

and the original why was right there in your home. It can take away the very thing that you were being blessed with, right? And so I love the fact that this all comes from a very sincere, honest and very transparent place. But like you said at the beginning, it doesn't necessarily need to be online. Your children were able to help you kind of find that North Star again. So I do want you to help some of our creators who are in that space, right? They have families, they are faith focused.

And you actually do coach people now with that very same area of trying to help people to balance those three worlds. But what do you tell them to help them avoid that burnout, that stress where yes, you have a message. Yes, you have gifts and talents to share. And maybe God even called you to build a big business, but how do you help people who are feeling that kind of tension of if I keep going at this rate, I'm going to burn out.

Tim (15:45)
Yeah. So let me just say upfront, there's nothing wrong with making a lot of money. There's nothing wrong with having a big successful business, being popular and famous. mean, plenty of people in the Bible who are all those things and we're still righteous people before the Lord that he honored and blessed. So I am not anti any of those things. I think of those things as money of, of popularity and fame and

Resources, those are all tools. There's not the goal. The problem most people have is they make those things the goal. How do I become famous? How do I get money? How do I become rich? How do I become influential? And all of those things, if those are the goal that you're pursuing, they will absolutely ruin and destroy your life. But if those are tools that you're going after and developing for something else, a bigger cause, a bigger means, then those things are actually

well suited to actually reach more people and change more lives instead of ruining your own. So when

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (16:48)
Yeah.

Tim (16:48)
I coach people and do business coaching with creators, usually we start because there's like a couple of fires going on in their business that they really need to help putting out. And so we'll focus on that first. But eventually it gets to this place where it's like, all right, well, what kind of business do we want to build here? Well, before we can answer that question, we first have to answer the question.

What kind of life do we want to have and live? And before we get into that question, it's like, what is our vision for our family, for our life? So it comes back to this place of what is our mission as a family? Why has God chosen to literally put this team together of people like me, my wife, and then he's like, here's the kids you need. Why do I have a 16 year old daughter with this personality and these gifts? A 15 year old son with these gifts and this personality and so on. Like he's put us together as a family unit.

to accomplish something for him. What is that? What is he? And that changes over time as my kids skills and gifts and relationships and resources change, right? So it's not like a static thing. Like you figure out once this is always evolving. Like what is he doing through our family? And then the role of the business again, it's not bad if it's big sometimes like in my case, I need a certain amount of revenue and money coming in because the goal of the business isn't just so I can buy fancy or cars.

it's and have a bigger house, it's so that I can fuel the mission that the Lord has given to our family, right? So if the resources aren't the goal and they're a tool instead to fuel this family vision, then the more of it I have, the bigger the vision can get. And as soon as the Lord gives me more resources than I need to fuel the vision that God's given to our family,

That's the moment I started thinking, my vision's too small. He's equipping us for something bigger. What is it now? You know?

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (18:46)
Wow.

Tim (18:48)
And so I think that if you have that posture towards my first and primary responsibility is to be a father in my home. And then this is what I talk about on my personal blog and podcast at Elder My City. It's like, do we first become men who are fathering our

homes well?

That is the proven ground and the pre-qualification ground that then equips us for what 1st Timothy and Titus talk about is like, once you're managing your own family well, now you're equipped to take care of God's church. And church,

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (19:21)
Yeah.

Tim (19:21)
as I understand it in this context, is not the 501c3 building on the corner. It's the elders according to like, story of Ruth and things. These are city elders, people in the city that are managing and helping lead other families.

with wisdom and experience that has proven to be to multiply fruitfulness, just like the commission that was given to us, right? fathering your home first, and then that equips us to be an elder in a city. one day we can rule, according to Luke 19, rule over cities in his kingdom with him, one day be equipped for that. So the business, the YouTube channels, the money, the relationships, all of this,

is our resources that fuel how I progress personally between those three stages. Right now, I'm just father in the home and doing that well. So that's the vision for me, but it's also fueling the vision for like how does my wife and her aspiration be a Proverbs 31 woman and a wife and what does that look like? And you know, so you need resources, you need fuel.

types of things.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (20:36)
Absolutely,

it goes back to both I think the Psalms and Proverbs both refer to Psalms the olive, you know that they will be like olive branches around

Your children will be like olive branch or olive trees around your table. then, and then Proverbs talking about the tree planted by the rivers of water, both of them need the resource, right? To grow. But the whole point is that they are fruitful and that you are supplying the nutrients to the tree so that they can continue to grow. And I love that you bring it back to the family. It always comes back to the family. I do want to quickly mention, thank you for mentioning elder your city because as I am a man, obviously leading a family and their other men, and we are talking to creators.

So we are talking to people who are both men and women, but in the context of the family, did you feel that there was a gap in connecting the creators, the builders, the business people, specifically men? Did you feel that gap? Is that why you felt the need to start? Cause I've seen your platform evolve and I kind

of want to give permission

Tim (21:36)
Yeah.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (21:36)
to our listeners and our viewers to let your mission and your creative space evolve. Cause I'm not going to, this is not throwing rocks by the way, when I say this.

That platform is nowhere near as big as vidIQ. And I don't think you care. I don't think that was ever the goal was to have, let me let this platform that I'm doing for this mission for men and elders be the same. So talk a little bit about that, like why you went that direction and the difference in, hey, I do this for this particular corporation and I have this goal, but this does not need to scale the same way that this did.

Tim (22:09)
yeah, the goal of Elder My City is not to...

at a book and speak on stages and things. I've been there, I've done that. I've written four books. I've been on lots of stages. I don't feel like I need to do that anymore. I'm happy to do it. I'm speaking next week at a thing, you know, it's fine. But I don't need that for validation and things anymore. Now I do it genuinely because I'm just there to,

how can I serve? How can I help type it genuinely? But Elder in My City was more of a,

Like after a few years of not creating, after selling my business, and I felt like I was getting the itch. Like I want to go back to my roots, which was where my YouTube channel and my blog originally started, which was, I just, it was important to me, whatever I was wrestling with. At the time it was like, I'm dating this girl, you guys give me feedback. You know, that's how all this started. And I just wanted to go back to that. it has morphed as I've been like, let me just start writing about whatever's important to me.

And that's turned into that framework. I was actually speaking at a conference last year, one of the other speakers that was there said, you need to be able to describe what you do, your channel, in one word. And he gave a couple examples. I'm like, oh, what would be my blog? would that one word be? And eldership is where they immediately came to mind. Now, eldership in the...

church board, like the old guy who passes the plate type of context, but the person who is fathering well in his home and preparing to father well in their city, which I don't even think we even know that means that much anymore these days, which is why I think it's a very biblical concept that we've lost a lot by not having city elders, but that's another topic for another time. So for me, this was just like, let me express what I'm wrestling through and it's kind of developed into this. And I do think there's probably one more iteration it'll likely go through, which is

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (24:02)
Okay.

Tim (24:03)
eldership.

but with the more from that business perspective because I think eldership assumes that you know how to manage resources well. It assumes that you can multiply fruitfulness in other people's lives, which is what you practice through business. And whenever I see elders like in the, like the Proverbs 31 woman whose husband sits at the city gates with the other leaders, like he has the ability to sit there and be respected by the rest of the city.

And his words carry some weight because of the credibility he's built through built businesses. And that's what's fueling his ability to be there now and serve other families. It's not like the retirement vision that the American story has, the biblical story has a vision where men are giving back and are serving. And, and it assumes that people know where to find them. And they come back and be

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (24:58)
Yeah.

Tim (24:59)
like, they're at the city gates. They're right here. Boaz is like,

I can go there in the morning and find them.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (25:04)
I'm trying not to go directly to what I'm dealing with right now, but I will do it just out. edit this out later. Literally right now as we're recording, we're doing a harvest conference at my church where we just on Wednesday commissioned and laid hands on business people for kingdom work.

Tim (25:18)
Hmm. Hmm.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (25:20)
Lee Domingue, please look him up. He's at Church of the Highlands and he literally just.

basically echo what you said, which is he was raised up in business. He was raised up, but he wanted to make sure that people understood that the reason God lifted him up in business, in creative work, in building things was so that he could create a kingdom legacy and do it for his children and his children's children. And to, like you said, to be known in the gates, but not for his own goals and not for his own advertisement, for his own glory. And so I love to kind of pivot back to the creators that we're talking to, because some of them,

many of them, let's say most of them, have not reached that level of success yet. And they are feeling the pressure, the comparison of this guy has a million followers, and they are tempted to seek validation. So you've seen this in every area of YouTube, every type of content creation, you've watched the algorithm evolve, right? So what would you say to those first few people who are saying, yes, Tim, I get it, I have my family first, my faith is intact, but there's only five people liking my videos and...

like they feel like they're about to give up before they even get to kind of really dig into that why. So what would be just some, you know, this is not a YouTube counseling session or content, you know, content workshop, but just give those people who are kind of like at the beginning, a few little pointers that would help them keep going as they pursue that mission and they're doing content creation.

Tim (26:43)
I'd rather do this face to face with people. But generally speaking, it comes down to your why. Why does this matter? Why are you doing this? Again, if the goal is views and popularity, you're going to feel frustrated. It's going to be.

deflating. But if the goal is how do I reach the right people? And if the goal is how do I reach whoever the Lord wants me to reach here? Let me learn how to do this better. Let me not set aside common tactics and strategies for growth and things. I'm not going to ignore those things.

so if the why is like, I want to feel validated by what I'm saying and sharing online, that's fine.

Yeah, it's gonna be a little frustrating at first, maybe forever. Because I worked with one guy many years ago now. He's like, Tim, I just wanna get to million subscribers. Okay, cool, we worked together. Got to his million subscribers. He did a big live stream, one million subscribers. 15 minutes after the live stream, he messaged me like, okay, now what do we gotta do to two million? You know, I'm like, okay. So we got him to two

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (27:54)
you

Tim (27:54)
million. And then it was like, what does it to get five million? You know, it's just.

What number would make someone satisfied? Probably nothing. There is no number that makes someone satisfied. So if that's the goal, it'll be a always never-ending pursuit that you can't ever really get to the bottom of. So for mine and Elder, my city is just.

Who are the right people, Lord, I like how the navigators I think puts it, the fat people who are faithful, available, and teachable. Like who are the, I call them fruitful soil people. Like who are those people? Bring those here, those people here, and like use me to serve them the best that I can. I'm not trying to serve everyone, I'm just trying to serve, like when I sow the seed, I want it to fall in soft soil, and I don't really wanna throw pearls before swine and waste all of it, you know, so.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (28:47)
Wow, and that this speaks so is so relevant to all of us in terms of again, I'm talking to people like I'm trying to think of right now examples that are outside of me because I could just like use myself as the example, but I can think about the the musicians who are battling how do I you know get my my YouTube videos to start?

spreading the gospel because I'm there writing Christian music and they're just like okay with this tactic and this tactic as you just mentioned and I love to pivot back to the fact that you pivoted originally because you did not feel that Specifically your goals and your makeup was going to have the kind of life change only working inside the four walls Obviously you've taken that beyond and it's still ministry. So I just wonder what would you say to yourself?

you know, 20 years later that you've learned over the course, what would have helped the younger Tim at 2006 to kind of see this coming and see that, hey, he didn't have to put validation first. Hey, he didn't have to just put the measures in success. And so what are those lessons? Cause someone is where you were, right?

they're now launching their channel or they're beginning to see some success or they're seeing that God might use them outside of the church as he did with me, because I left full-time ministry as well. So what would you say to the person that is kind of like at that pivot point that you were at back then that will kind of help them as they navigate this next chapter of their lives?

Tim (30:18)
I don't think there's anything I could say to that person, to me, 20 years ago that would have had any sort of impact.

Like, I thought I was humble. I wasn't. I thought I was doing this for all the right reasons.

I wasn't, you know, so if I would have told myself, Tim, you lack humility. Tim, you're sacrificing your family. If I would have just been like blunt about it, I'm like, what are you? No, I'm not. You don't even know me. Like what's wrong? You know, and it's because these things are so deceptive. There's, we're blind to it. One of the things I wrote about on my blog is how I just need, I think it's in Hebrews.

Where it's like, we need to, what's the right word? What was it? At chest eyes. Admonish one another as long as it is called today that none of you will be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. We underestimate how sin deceives us and hardens our heart, just like Pharaoh. Like, right? Like his heart was so easily hardened and we know how that story turned out. Not very well for him. But that happened.

That happens to us unless we have other believers daily who are admonishing us, poking at us, challenging us, surfacing us, encouraging us, right? And most of us don't have that type of community around us who even know us well enough to even be able to do that, to know what to poke at in the first place, let alone have people who have the guts to do that and do we have the humility to receive it. So I'm...

That earlier version of me was certainly not there. So now when I meet those types of people, if I again, can sense the fruitful heart or the soft soil heart, will be happy to go into it. But most of the time I'm like, they're gonna need to end up in the ER like I did, you know? So.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (32:17)
Ay, ay, ay.

But that's the most transparent one. I've been asking that question for now. This is closing in on 400 episodes. That's the first time I've heard that kind of answer to be straight up with you. To realize that, and of course, I know it is the rhetorical obviously for the person who does have the maturity, who would have listened, right? But I love the fact that then that you are leading with transparency and with the vulnerability to understand that, you know, we are thankful, you know, Paul was very clear when he said he was still chief of centers.

you know, even though he had, you know, now had this revelation of the third heaven, like he was like, no, I remember where I came from. And he told that story over and over every time he was in front of a magistrate or dragged in front of a court. He started from Damascus. He started from being a Pharisee. So I love the fact that we can look at you now Tim and say, you are clearly operating in eldership. You are operating at the highest levels, still blessing people, still at the top of your game in the marketplace in terms of YouTube. But yet,

you have the humility to say, you're just now getting started and you just mentioned wanting to see even more in terms of your channel. So we could keep this going. I pray that you see that you are welcome to wrestle with these issues here at God and gigs, because again, I can literally talk about this all the time, especially when it comes to navigating faith, creativity and our family so that God is blessed to all three of them. But we do have the closest one out. So

We do this old school. I know everybody has already clicked the link. I know they can do that. But if you just want to direct a few people to the resources that you feel, especially in terms of this particular conversation, the themes that we just went, what would you like them to pursue, to find you at so that they can find out more about your teaching and how you help people?

Tim (34:01)
Yeah, welcome to follow along my personal ramblings at Elder My City. It's just at Tim Schmoyer.com. T-I-M-S-C-H-M-O-Y-E-R.

is a link to the vidIQ coaching blog podcast. It's all kind of a homepage for all that.

Allen C. Paul - God And Gigs (34:15)
Got it, and it's definitely right there in these show notes where you're listening or watching this. But Tim again, I bless you. I thank you that you've been so, so willing to give up your time. And again, I hope this isn't the last time. I hope that we can come back with the God and Gigs show and share more of your wisdom. If you want to dig into YouTube, I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to scratch, know, get as much information from you with that. So maybe we'll ask you to come back and maybe do a workshop with our interior community, our God and Gigs 360 community. Shout out to those guys that are listening.

right now, because the one thing I'll tag on to this, and this is kind of a post afterward, you talked about having people who would be in your life who would admonish. I think that was a call to community. just whether it's Tim's group, whether it's God and Gigs 360, whether it's your local church, please everyone, find a community that you can be transparent in, because the Bible says that when we confess our faults to one another,

We are healed. And so I want to just put that in because I really heard your heart in that you may not have listened to yourself, but had you had three or four or five, six, seven other brothers or sisters who you had opened your heart to, you would have been obviously more open to it before you ended up in the ER. So I just want to put that postword in there because thank you so much for being transparent about that. And I think community is the answer and the church obviously is the final answer for that where God meets us all. So Tim, this has been amazing. God bless you. Thank you so much for joining us. And I hope once again, this won't be the last time.

Tim (35:40)
Thank you.